EPR PROPERTIES
EPR PROPERTIES Q4 FY2024 earnings call
February 27, 2025 · fiscal period ended 2024-12
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Summary
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Management highlights
Management Statement and Operational Highlights
- Financial Growth: Delivered 3.4% earnings growth for full year 2024 after removing out-of-period deferred rent and interest collections. Box office performance in 2H 2024 was strong, with 2025 North American box office estimated $9.3B-$9.7B.
- Portfolio Expansion: Expanded experiential portfolio using operating cash flow, reduced theater/education investments, and recycled proceeds. Benefited from Regal Master Lease percentage rent structure in inaugural year.
- Dividend Increase: Announced 3.5% increase in monthly cash dividend, well covered and with financial flexibility.
- Investment and Disposition Guidance: 2024 investment spending $263.9M; 2025 investment guidance $200M-$300M; 2024 disposition proceeds $74.4M, 2025 disposition guidance $25M-$75M.
- Reporting Change: Bifurcated coverage universe to show theater vs non-theater impact, returning to normal portfolio reporting in 2025.
Segment performance
Segment Performance
- Experiential Portfolio: Approximately $6.4 billion, accounting for 93% of total investments. Comprises 278 properties with 51 operators, 99% leased or operated (excluding vacant properties intended for sale).
- Education Portfolio: 68 properties with 8 operators, 100% leased (excluding vacant property intended for sale).
- Ski Portfolio: Q4 and trailing 12-month revenue and EBITDARM up vs same periods in 2023; benefited from early-season snowfall.
- Eat & Play Sector: Q4 and trailing 12-month revenue/EBITDARM slightly down vs same periods in 2023; anchored by Topgolf, with Andretti Karting expanding relationships.
- Fitness and Wellness Portfolio: Trailing 12-month revenue and EBITDARM increased.
- Education Portfolio: Trailing 12-month revenue up 2%, EBITDARM down 3% due to operating cost increases.
Guidance
Guidance
- FFO Adjusted: 2025 guidance $4.94-$5.14 per share, midpoint 3.5% growth.
- Investment Spending: 2025 guidance $200M-$300M.
- Disposition Proceeds: 2025 guidance $25M-$75M.
- Quarterly Expectations: First quarter 2025 results expected to be ~$0.10 per share lower than full year divided by four.
- Dividend: 3.5% increase in monthly cash dividend, well covered by AFFO.
Risks
Risks
- Macro Environment: Challenges affecting performance.
- Expense Volatility: High insurance costs and other operating expenses pose challenges.
- Asset Sales Uncertainty: Uncertainty in theater asset sales and RV park investments.
- Strike Impact: Writers/actors strikes previously affected box office and theater performance.
Q&A highlights
Question and Answer
- Q: How are the two remaining RV parks performing vs the exited Louisiana one?
A: Breaux Bridge RV park underperformed, while others like Jellystone are more established; Kozy Rest is normalizing with new cabins and amenities.
- Q: Future investments in lodging assets?
A: Prefer net lease structures over operating; still bullish on hot springs as part of attraction but not operating structures.
- Q: Yields needed for investments?
A: Cost of capital considerations; equity and debt costs down, looking for 100-150 basis points spread.
- Q: Kartrite performance and long-term options?
A: Facing challenges like shutdowns, balconies, high operating expenses; working to improve but needs better performance to exit operating.
- Q: Percentage rents and box office dependency?
A: Theater box office drives Regal percentage rents; other properties contribute, better operating performance could drive higher end.
- Q: Credit loss and funding 2025 investments?
A: Credit loss ~1% of EBITDA; sources include dispositions, free cash flow, and potential bond deals to manage debt maturity.
- Q: Exit from Jellystone/Yogi Bear JV properties?
A: Relative value will determine; contribution is insignificant, may exit if redeployable into net lease.
- Q: Drivers of stronger second half movie theater?
A: More normalized number of titles, consumer habit formation.
- Q: Capital allocation for 2025 investments?
A: Generally 50-50 between development and acquisitions, with projects like Andretti Karting and Diggerland.
- Q: Depth of buyers for theater dispositions and cap rates?
A: Agnostic on vacant theaters; better real estate leads to better transactions; leased properties in market, one under contract with ~9% cap rate.
- Q: Expense pressures and insurance?
A: Insurance costs starting to top out but still a wildcard; managing through challenges.
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